Health & Fitness – An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.
This couple takes advantage of the modern miracle of electricity (they own a coffee shop) but not the modern miracle of insulin?
As sad as this story is, it is nothing compared to what the Bush Administration is doing.
This couple killed one person with their "faith-based" approach to diabetes but Bush is killing millions with his "faith-based" approach to sexually transmitted diseases. An approach that requires that 1/3 of anti-AIDS funds be spent on this "faith-based" nonsense.
There is no cure for any virus disease. There are now several STD's that can't be cured. Prevention is the ONLY method. Condoms are not safe. 1 in 15 failure per Consumer Reports. Some diseases just go right through the wall of the condom. Yet people like you say abstinence is not the answer but condoms are.
There is a kernel of truth in Endo's comments. There can be a condom failure rate as high as 10% among 'novice' users. Couples that are aware of proper use, storage, and disposal of condoms have a far lower failure rate.
Statistically, abstinence-only programs show a HIGHER rate of unwanted pregnancy than more comprehensive sex education programs.
Sex education for Endoscopy:
--Some viral disease can be prevented via vaccination. The most lethal strains of Human Papilloma Virus are among these.
--The most common sexually transmitted diseases (e.g. chlamydia) are not viral and can be cured with antibiotics if recognized. If ignored they can be transmitted with unfortunate results.
--There is STRONG evidence that proper condom usage reduces the risk of transmission of STDs (New Enland Journal of Medicine 354:2645-2654).
--While abstinence is the best way of reducing the spread of STDs, the teaching of abstinence only has not been successful.
My gosh.....
Are you that obsessive over your hate of Bush that you have to say something about him every time you post? This topic has nothing to do with him or politics yet you must talk about him!
Its pathetic and sickening how some people can't forget about politics and stop pushing their agenda.
I am sorry that you do not see the connection.
The topic is faith-based approaches to medicine as opposed to evidence-based approaches.
Both the family in this article and the President of the United States have caused harm by blindly holding on to faith-based approaches that have been conclusively shown to be ineffective.
Indeed! PEPFAR (President's Emergency Plan For AIDS Relief) requires that 1/3 of the budget go toward abstinence-only programs.
From http://www.healthgap.org/camp/pepfar.html:
"Some 32 million quality-approved condoms remain impounded in government warehouses while the U.S. government ramps up financing for abstinence-only approaches to HIV prevention. According to Ugandan AIDS activists, the government's actions will undermine community efforts to reduce HIV prevalence and HIV transmission. These trends away from scientifically sound, evidence-based prevention strategies are occurring in Uganda and in other countries hard-hit by the AIDS epidemic, such as Nigeria, South Africa, and Zambia."
Religion was designed by prehistoric man to try and make sense of what he did not and could not know. We now know much about many of these things due to thousands of years of increased knowledge.
Relegion can still clam a mind facing major issues in life both physical and emotional. If it does that then all the better for the individual.
On the other hand we know that there are aspects of science that can help with many things including some severe illnesses.
Using our human intelligence properly we should take advantage of all those achievements of men and if needed still rely on religion to emotionally calm us, but we should never ever try to use religion to cure what mankind has found the ability to cure.
I had a minor stroke several years ago and am on anti-coagulants for life. If I would decide to use religion and give up the medicine I say to those who know me they should have me committed for attempted suicide.
These parents are to blame for what happened.
There a lot of people who are miss informed, the parents included. For them to expect some babble to heal their daughter it's absurd? Surely they went through some ailments in their lives that they prayed, and prayed about and it never releived the pain, it never helped, after that you'd think someone would get the hint, "there ain't nothing there!!!!!", quit being cheap... go see a @#@*#& doctor!!!
How in the world did Bush and politics get thrown into this?
While I agree with you about supernatural creatures, I don't think the charge of murder is warrented. I don't think her intent was to kill her child. I think it fits for the crime of negligent homicide. Nor do I think they deserve jail time because loosing a child has got to be the worst punishment, knowing that your negligence caused your childs death has got to be unbearable. I can't imagine it.
djn3nunez3-I agree except for if they think it was 'Gods will' that she die. I don't care if it's 'Gods will' or not, I wouldn't want my child to die, and I can't imagine letting any faith stopping me from trying anything possible, if that INCLUDED prayer, that'd be ok. From what I know of this case so far, it's negligent homicide.
Well, you may not believe one word of it, but this isn't the first time this has happened:
http://www.masskids.org/dbre/dbre_2.html
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/gues...
So, there you have it.
Hmmm this is a very similar to a story my parents once told me... Once their was a man and their was a flood. The man was sitting on his roof praying to god to save him. Then a man in a boat came offered to save. "No, God will save me." he said. Then another man in a boat came by and offered to save him. "No, God will save me." said the man. After, the man drowned and died. Once in heaven, he asked God why he didn't save him. "But I did," God said. "I sent you two people to rescue you."
Anyways, stupid parents. They should take their children away.
To quote Morgan Freeman in "Deep Impact".
"Because I believe that God, whomever you hold that to be,
hears all prayers, even if sometimes the answer is no."
Healing is not a matter of illness but of health. However, when handled with arrogance and misunderstanding of the process, it can lead to greater illness and even death. It appears the parents were not listening for an answer to their prayers, but insisting on doing their own will over God's to prove a point. Then after their will failed, they excused it as God's.
I have seen reversals of illness that some would call miraculous. The reversal seems to occur after the afflicted person disengages, or detaches from the illness and sets an intention on health.
Good doctors are our teachers. They inform us on what we have and why we have it. Ultimately it is up to us to use the knowledge to return to health (if we want it), and sometimes outside assistance is required. The wise know when to use it.
This:
" "Because I believe that God, whomever you hold that to be,
hears all prayers, even if sometimes the answer is no." "
Is the biggest scam ever foisted on the religious. Sometimes God (god) doesn't answer your prayers because of X, Y or Z. What? Why pray to a supreme being who doesn't answer your prayers in the way that you want he, she or it to answer your prayers?
That's like saying you're dating a woman or a man that has broken up with you and married someone else. Oh, she or he will come around, they just haven't yet.
Move on.
God does not shy away from allowing His followers look like idiots to the non-believing world. Speaking about diabetes, IF you want to believe God is helping you in your battle with it, then cut down on carbs and exercise. Doing that sort of thing seems to be helping two of my loved ones who are battling this affliction. I don't have type 2 diabetes yet, but, that might be because I exercise after eating carbs. IF you want to beat diabetes, you have to litterally fight it like a prize-fighter. You've got to have the eye of the tiger with this affliction.
I disagree. It's the fighting that sometimes exacerbates the problems. You need to set the mind straight first, then the body follows. I am proof of this myself.
Could you further explain this, please?
I cannot offer a solution, only a suggestion. Take time to research Quantum Healing. Fighting often puts the focus where it should not be. Most people prefer treatment to a cure because it takes work, so they exhaust their energy "fighting". Also, illness provides a sort of false "power", and some people use that power to control others around them. In the long run, it renders you powerless in the end.
On a battlefield, does not the battle also harm the fighter? Why double the injury by taking poison to kill the poison?
I say, go for the CURE! Stop at nothing to look for any way that works for you! Be open minded!
So, you are against exercise when it comes to fighting back diabetes? All I know is, is that my dad, who is a border-line diabetic, has feet that start burning after he eats carbs due to a raised bllod sugar. He then goes off and exercises, blood sugar goes down, his feet feel better. But, if you feel no exercise helps, go for it.
I wasn't specific to your situation. Exercise is GREAT! But exercise is a given for total health and fitness. We're built for it. Ever tried Stevia as a sweetener?
The biggest challenge to change is ridding one's self of addictions. Addictions are Ego based. Once addictions are removed (and that's the hardest part) then instinct kicks in. Soon you desire only things that help you. Even chocolate can be medicine if your body says it needs it! Your body is a smart device when the mind or limbic system is not out of whack. Drugs only trick the brain into releasing chemicals. A healthy mind can do better. The cumulative effect of unhealthy living is reversible, lest you get an arm cutoff or something.
Think Quantum!
skeptic271: you ask "Where in the Bible does it say that sometimes the answer is no? It says just the opposite, over and over again."
The point of the verses you quoted is the absolute necessity of trust in God's unlimited power, not a blank check for answered prayers. God has 3 answers for prayer: Yes. No. Wait.
Mary & Martha sent for Jesus immediately when Lazarus became ill. They had faith Jesus could heal him. However, Jesus intentionally waited until 4 days AFTER Lazarus had died to do anything. (At that time, the Jews believed the soul did not depart until after 3 days so Lazarus would have been considered beyond help.)
Jesus himself prayed "My Father! If it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I will, but as You will." Matthew 26:39. God said NO & Jesus went to the cross & was crucified.
Then there was Paul the Apostle: "To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.'" 2 Corinthians 12:7-9 Again, God said NO.
Having faith is believing what is not seen however, it is NOT an excuse for inaction. Do either of the parents work or do they just have faith God will provide all their needs? Sounds like the same sort of reasoning to me!
I feel most sorry for the loss of the girl whose only fault was having morons for parents. Religious freedom doesn't even begin to hide the fact that this was murder. Faith is a good thing, but should never be used for killing a child. As a diabetic, I know full well how easily treatable type 2 is as I have not had to use any medication. This was muder most foul, at the hands of those trusted by God to protect his most precious gifts.
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"Compassionate conservatism at its finest. Remember Terry Shivo? A special session of congress....
Somehow this reminds me of that."
Hmmm ... another completely moronic statement from a complete moron. What makes you think they weren't democrats? Lots and lots of democrats in Wisconsin -- that's how their corrupt democrat gov keeps getting elected as well as morons like Russ Feingold.